Atheists defending Islam?!

Atheists defending Islam?!

Why do atheists and liberals defend Islam? They will be the first to suffer under Islamic domination. A Christian opinion I agree with here…

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16 Responses to Atheists defending Islam?!

  1. I defend Islam because I see it as a deeply misunderstood faith. I am perhaps an agnostic, but I certainly don’t buy the one true religion theory.

    I have made an attempt to explore the history of Islam, as well as its current extremist roots and tendencies in this short article:
    http://thelonewriterguy.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/theperilsofislam/

    As you will read, there is much more to Islam than meets the eye.

    Cheers 🙂

  2. “I may not agree with what you say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”

    • Excellent. So you will defend to death my right to say that atheists who defend Islam are idiots?

      • Certainly.

        I disagree, of course. But you’re completely within your rights to say it.

        And I’m not defending Islam. I’m defending their right to do what they want and worship how they want provided they harm no one. In America, luckily, that is the majority of Muslims. (Also, thankfully, the majority of Christians and other religious people.)

      • “I’m defending their right to do what they want and worship how they want provided they harm no one.”

        That’s nice, but many contend that teaching Islam (and the other Abrahamic religions) to children IS harming them, especially since proponents are clearly presenting numerous falsehoods to these innocent minds.

        In any event, my religion is pretty much completely the opposite of these cults, so I’m sure I will be given the right to worship how I want, which is what I am doing by exposing these foul, rotten and savage ideologies that have caused so much trouble on planet Earth.

        Cheers.

  3. The actions of adherents to a faith do not necessarily reflect the ideologies of the faith/ideology.
    It is like suggesting that the actions of Soviet Russia represents atheism, or that the Japanese are solely represented through their actions in World War 2.
    The Abrahamic religions have all had blood in their hands – from the marauding Crusaders to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
    I do not subscribe to the idea that the actions of fundamentalists represent the religion. Islam, and many other faiths have a wide spectrum of sects – something that you surely must have realised in your study of Islam.
    Did you not find it rather intriguing that the end of the so-called Golden Age of Islam has heralded extremism?
    Is it not Colonialism that has inspired radical thought? Surely, a free thinker as yourself must realise the importance of looking at both sides of the debate?

    Why do you feel that Islam is a ‘sick cult’? Have you ever lived in the Muslim world? Befriended a Muslim perhaps?

  4. Please don’t be ridiculous with the Islamist propaganda and liberal pabulum. I’ve read the Koran quite extensively for many years – it is unquestionably a book of violent world domination.

    http://truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm

    If an ideology doesn’t affect people’s behavior it is useless – and Islam’s record speaks for itself.

    If something is useless, then we can toss it out. But we can do that anyway, because we need not look for seeds in a big pile of crap when we can buy a bag of seeds.

    “Why do you feel that Islam is a ‘sick cult’? Have you ever lived in the Muslim world? Befriended a Muslim perhaps?”

    You yourself have admitted the blood on its hands – all one needs to do is follow the links previously provided to the 270 million murders, including some 80 million in India. All of that vile behavior is a direct result of Islamic doctrine, and if it isn’t, then Islam certainly didn’t help tame any of the barbarians who were committing these atrocities in its name. Once again, if Islam didn’t influence these people in any positive manner, then it is negative or it is useless.

    Your need to raise up the other Abrahamic religions shows that you do not know whose blog you are posting to. I critique them all. You honestly have no idea why this is a sick cult? If not, you haven’t studied it very closely at all. I suggest starting here:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
    http://www.faithfreedom.org
    http://www.islam-watch.org
    http://www.jihadwatch.org
    http://www.theprophetofdoom.org

    And then there’s this little thing called “misogyny,” “sexism” and “woman enslavement.” You really have no clue about that? Never seen a niqab or burkha in your life?

    http://freethoughtnation.com/womens-rights-in-islam.html

    As concerns the “befriend a Muslim” comment, only someone who lives in a bubble spreading mindless liberal pabulum would make such a comment. And, again, you certainly don’t know me or my work. I have lived in major cities in several countries, and I have met many Muslims and – shocking! – been friends with a number. I am especially friends with EX-Muslims who are desperate not to allow Western civilization to fall under Islamic domination as it had done in their countries, such as Iran and Syria. Thankfully, I have not lived in the Muslim world, and I can assure you that I would not feel any less vehement against Islamist regimes if I had. I have lived in Greece, and I know quite a bit about how Arabs live in Egypt and elsewhere. I would absolutely not be interested in being a woman in any of these cultures, not even “moderate” Indonesia, where I have also known people who are sick to death of Islam enslaving them.

    Perhaps you should befriend a Muslim apostate and ask him or her what he or she thinks about Islam. You can start with my friend Amil Imani:

    http://www.amilimani.com/

    And then you can check out another of my friend’s opinions on Islam, which can be found in my interview of her, Dr. Wafa Sultan:

    http://www.examiner.com/freethought-in-national/wafa-sultan-s-message-to-america

    Please also be sure the visit the websites of my ex-Muslim friends Dr. Ali Sina and Mohammed A. Khan:

    http://faithfreedom.org
    http://islam-watch.org

    Cheers.

  5. I certainly appreciate your viewpoint, regarding the Sharia, the oppression of women, and can understand why you paint Islam as such a terrifying, oppressive religion.

    For I have felt the same way.

    I certainly do not subscribe to ‘Islamist propaganda’, I am vehemently secularist and I find extremism dangerous and misguided. The idealistic views of the Wahabbi Saudis and Al-Qaeda in establishing a unified caliphate is absurd, and doomed to fail. I am of the opinion that politics and religion are separate entities.

    The crux of Islamic (or any other religious) theology is based on interpretation – which is probably why Islam has so many sects. Your studies of Islamic theology must have shown you the process by which Islamic thought evolved, and how puritanical religious scholars have changed the very fabric of the Shariah.

    You may argue that the Quran is the root of the Shariah, but the very process of interpreting the book is debated; some take it literally – and contend that certain verses are abrogated by others, others suggest that the verses are allegorical.

    I have tried to explore this in my blog: http://thelonewriterguy.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/theperilsofislam/

    Regarding the oppression of minorites, the rights of women – history (and the present day) has shown that many atrocities have been committed in the name of religion. But is it not possible that religion can be made into a political tool?

    Islamist regimes such as the Taliban have used religion as both an inspiration and an iron glove, oppression is seen throughout the Muslim world – and it is justified under the guise of Islam.

    But Islam is a mixture of many things – if you ever visit the Muslim world, you will notice the inclusion and mixture of culture into the religion. Islam in Turkey is very different from Islam in Saudi Arabia.

    The niqaab, the symbol of oppression, was used by the Byzantine aristocracy to separate themselves from the masses. Genital mutilation, stoning and many of the harsher punishments in Islam were derived from local Bedouin tradition. Does this justify these practices? Of course not!

    Surely this is a mistake of the religion’s followers? To confuse cultural norms and values as religious edicts?

    I certainly do not like the Shariah in its present form – it is oppressive and medieval – but I will blame this on the general intellectual malaise of the Muslim world when it comes to exploring religion. It has been made so holy, that it cannot be analysed.

    Islam has influenced many, from Omar Khayyam, Avicenna and Rumi, to Syed Qutb and Osama Bin Laden. It has influenced the Sufis and the Salafis; incredible kindness and intolerable violence.

    Of course there are Islamists who wish to dominate the world. There are evangelists of all faith, and it is a fundamental right for one to choose one’s religion, or abandon it.

    History is full of attempts at world domination.

    I do not deny that Islam has many loopholes, and I feel that this criticism is necessary, for it is the only thing that will bring change.

    I hardly think that Islam will come to dominate the world. It needs a fundamental re-assessment of its doctrines, but I do feel that the demonization of Islam is unwarranted – for Islam can mean different things to different people.

    • You can put as much make-up as you want on that pig, and you will still be deluding yourself. Of course, nothing can be all evil, although some things come close. Raising up Sufis who may have been trying to save their own necks by operating within the cruel and barbaric system of Islam shows how desperate is the plight of finding anything good in it. Please name their inspiration? In the case of Rumi and other Sufis it was a homoerotic imaginary lover called Allah. Nothing impressive – Christianity had already been inspiring such passion and violent lust. Rumi’s cosmic homoerotic fantasy with its giant lover in the sky is of little consequence to the millions who have been slaughtered in the name of this fanaticism.

      I’m really not interested in a male-dominant monotheistic cult rampant with homoerotic and sado-masochistic violence. There are many other religions on this planet, and many are far superior. In fact, this one ranks abysmally low.

      Sorry, but there’s really nothing to salvage here. A few seeds in a big pile of manure is not impressive. Just buy a bag of seeds.

      And the bottom line is that it is simply not true. The god of the cosmos did not write the Koran or raise up Mohammed as his prophet. The world needs to wake up, and each individual needs to stop following these pathologies that make them into violent maniacs and sexist animals. Humanity and human rights are marginal in the most fundamental cults – and we just don’t need any such depravity, much less have it coddled by so many worldwide. If we don’t stand up to it now, it will engulf us, and I for one don’t want it anywhere near me or my loved ones. I’m sure you and everyone else who are weeping and wailing over “rights” – including enlightened Muslims – can respect my right not to be enslaved under Islam.

      Time for humanity to move on. Clinging to these archaic, foul, rotten and bloodsoaked cults will only spell mankind’s doom – of that we can be sure.

  6. I have made a few ex-Muslim friends, and I respect their decision to leave Islam. Many have been traumatised in the name of religion – their stories are quite sad.

    Fundamentally, I find many religions (their laws) to be restrictive, it feels like being chained – and I find that there is a carrot-and-stick principle that seems to be universal in all religious philosophy. I find it too narrow – I cannot understand how a powerful God, who allegedly created the universe, would really care what you wear, or whether you have a beard – these seem to be tacky and irrelevant to me.

    But I also recognise that religion is full of cultural and social connotations, and much like any ideology, it is bound to be rejected and criticised – thus, perhaps the true identity of the religion is in simplicity. The fundamental reason behind each and every religious ideology is – being a good person.

    The rest, for me at least, can be discarded easily.

  7. And THIS is why atheists should not be coddling Islam. These folks need help escaping this violent cult of enslavement, not encouragement on why they should stay in it. All such individuals are perfectly welcome on my FB pages, blogs and groups – they will not find me trying to talk them out of leaving Islam or extolling some hidden Islamic beauty that they just can’t see.

    http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/on-facebook-young-muslims-turn-away-from-islam-49951?cp

  8. ‘Time for humanity to move on. Clinging to these archaic, foul, rotten and bloodsoaked cults will only spell mankind’s doom – of that we can be sure.’

    I understand your disgust with religion. History has shown us that indeed many belief systems end up becoming marred with violence and oppression. It is perhaps a human tragedy, that there will always be cause for disagreement and oppression. On paper, socialism, capitalism and other idealistic movements seem great, but when put to practice, the results can be devastating – as they are warped and imposed on others.

    Nevertheless, I maintain that not all Muslims feel that their religion is a ‘male-dominant monotheistic cult rampant with homoerotic and sado-masochistic violence.’ – As shown by the various movements in ‘progressive Islam’. There are conscious efforts among Muslims to correct the logical fallacies and ideologies posed by the puritanical, sexist clerics that have changed the face of this religion. It is largely the ignorance of the Muslim world, the intellectual bankruptcy that has permeated this part of the world that feeds such totalitarianism. Of course, there are always the extremists who justify violence for their nefarious designs.

    I do feel that movements such as Sufism et al are attempts to connect with God. At least to Muslims, Allah is not some male fantasy, in fact I don’t think God/Allah can be defined as per a specific gender or such factors – Muslim scholars have often been biased towards male-dominated portrayals of Islam, because many of them come from strictly patriarchal societies. Loving God, as per Sufism, is not tantamount to homoeroticism – it is a form of worship and meditation.

    Perhaps there were some who were disenchanted with orthodox Islam, as the Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam so eloquently portrays, but many did not want to disconnect with God – and thus remained committed to God, but leaving orthodox Islam per se, and finding their own peace in faith.

    I do agree, many have been indoctrinated and conditioned into such an intolerant form of this religion, it is perhaps the oil-rich Saudis and their radical evangelists that are eroding away the more moderate practice of Islam found in most Muslim homes.

    The very war that fuels anti-Muslim sentiment in the West fuels anti-Western sentiment among Muslims, particularly the far-right Jihadists and their sympathizers – a war of propaganda on both sides. It is almost a hopeless situation – and a deeply saddening one.

    It is a dangerous trend permeating the Muslim world – this is fuelled by war, poverty, illiteracy and the refusal of the Muslim world to move on from the 1000 year old laws set in stone by clerics.

    Indeed any religion, or any society cannot be set in stone. There are fundamental laws, vis a vis the ten commandments, the five pillars, the message of doing good to and for others. Society changes over time, that is a historic and very observable fact, and an attempt to make society static is futile and absurd!

    Why my ex-Muslims left were owed to either philosophical/scientific arguments against the ‘God hypothesis’ (Dawkins et al), or disenchantment with the religion (terrorism and oppression et al) – reasons that you have so eloquently discussed in your posts.

    For humanity to move on I feel that clinging to these archaic, foul, rotten and blood soaked laws will spell disaster – and I blame it squarely on the interpretation of religion and the political designs that cloak it.

    Religion has inspired a lot in this world, from violence and oppression to progress and enlightenment. It is merely the perspective through which it has been viewed that has differentiated the two.

    Your posts were a vivid critique of modern Islamic radicalism, and I appreciate your views.

    Regards

  9. Thank you. I shall definitely read your book.

    In my view, the ‘manure’ are the puritanical teaching of the clerics, who have injected the religion with much hate – for me, my bag of seeds are simply being a good person and believing in what is common among all religions.

    Kind Regards.

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